"Some frank discussions..."

Don't worry,
the doubt movement will come up with some...
the definition of "faith" to these is that "faith" means to accept everything as from God without questioning or resistance. To question or resist is rebellion and heresy. To suffer in silence is to be faithful. After all, look at all the people Jesus allowed to continue on in this definition of "faith". There was... 
???
well there were some!!! 

No... there was not one faithful person recorded in the ministry of Jesus. They all rebelled, questioned their sickness, and (oh no) got healed. ALL of them. Not one suffered faithfully to prove... whatever. Not one went on to learn... something(???).... from their suffering. 

The doubt movement is a religious form of the "'... stare off into space..." mindset of the current world system. It attempts to glorify the sufferer as being a true believer while vilifying the those having faith as being materialistic and carnal. It seeks to promote poverty and sickness as the chosen methods of God to test the believer, and the only way to pass this "test" is to suffer in silence/die. It wants to elevate sickness and suffering as the a prime method of God to refine and purify his  children.  Jesus is barely mentioned in all this, because He simply does not fit into their religious equation. All He was good for was to die for them... He is not the Lord of the universe, His name has no power, and He is a has-been in heaven. It is our great and holy suffering that is what counts today. And God is the great child abusing father who is more than ready and willing to help us in our quest for that suffering and pain. He works hand and hand with the devil to squash and smash us into  spiritual perfection. The redemptive work of Christ made no provision for our sanctification and completeness. We, and all of our holy righteous suffering will do what He could not do. In fact we have to wonder why He even did what He did do in dying!  The old testament  saints like Job were perfected by suffering! We can be too!!! 

So listen to the doubt movement "bad news" gospel of holy suffering and you will do well. Don't pray for healing or (gasp!) your poverty to end. Just suffer in silence and chalk it all up toward your being refined. 
 

>> Do you know the will of God for every persons life on this earth? <<< 

Yes.
The Bible is the Will of God manifest, and Jesus, the life of Jesus, and the ministry of Jesus are the perfect image of that will. 
Any sickness distributed by Jesus? 
If Jesus did not do it... then it was not the will of God.
He healed ALL who were oppressed of the devil.
The biggest question the anti-faith has to deal with is why Jesus did not manifest sickness and curses toward men as the will of God. They cannot answer the question because it completely destroys their concept of God willing sickness and evil in our lives.
Jesus just did not do the things they promote as God doing. If Jesus did not do these things, it is because it is not in God to do them!
 

>>> Sorrow and pain were God's will for Job's life.  This was not a result of Job's sin but part of God's plan to bring Job into a closer relationship with Himself. <<< 

Where in the world did you get this??? Anti-faith people always push that Job was perfect in all his ways and so there was no area for him to improve! Besides, how in the world does sickness and pain bring anyone "closer" to God?? This concept has always mystified me? If this were so, then why do we need Jesus? All we need is a bunch of cancer to bring us to God. That would seem to make the devil ( the author of these things) to be our savior. 

Bottom line is this dear friend. We are sanctified by the word of God and the redemptive work of Christ. No amount of suffering or sorrow is going to add one speck to that word or work. He has done EVERYTHING that was needed to bring us to God. He is the author and finisher of our faith. Sickness and sorrow adds zilch to our redemption. Believe the gospel and dump this gospel of perfection by suffering! Jesus did it all!! 

 >>>> I look back at my own sorrow and pain and I can see that it is a part of who I am today.  Thank God for it. <<< 

Are you saying that your pain and sorrow has brought you to the Father? I believe that _Jesus_ and the cross is what has brought be to the Father. There is nothing you can do to add one iota to that work of redemption. All else is works. Jesus and His blood alone will prefect us. 

Having begun in faith, are you made perfect by works (of suffering)??
 
 
 

>>> No no, my friend.  Jesus is the center of it all.  When God chooses to let us go through trials and tribulations, Jesus goes with us <<<
I know what you are saying dear saint... but it is just not in line with the word of God. Jesus is now at the right hand of the Father as King of Kings and Lord of Lords. When God raised Him from the dead, it was determined that He would never again suffer again.. but would be the absolute sovereign power over all the world and the devil. He is not suffering or "going through" anything. He does go through regret that we in ignorance forfeit our rights and privileges as believers and fail to accept that He  has given us all things that pertain to life and godliness. There is simply nothing left for us to have to work or suffer for. He has accomplished everything. When we say we believe in His Lordship we are saying we believe that He has complete power and authority over all  things. When we say that we have to endure any of the things that He already suffered, we are denying his work of redemption and stating that He failed to redeem us from sin, sickness, poverty, and the oppression of the devil. 

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How come people seem to be so proficient at quoting scripture where it seems that God "kills people and makes people sick"... but somehow miss the ones where He heals and saves? I suppose it is just a mindset. But I still wonder why _NO_ONE_ has come up with a reason why Jesus never killed anyone or made anyone sick during His ministry. As we all like to say, if you are going to quote scriptures, quote all of them and especially the ones that specifically pertain to the subject at hand. The scripture says that Jesus (not  Job, not the OT) is the exact image of the Father. When we see Jesus we see the Father. If you want to know what God is like... look at Jesus. 

Jesus did not kill or sicken _anyone_ . Furthermore, He did not tell a single person that they were sick to "teach them a lesson" or any such reasoning. He just healed them _ALL_. If we are Christians (and I trust everyone in this discussion is) then we look to Jesus as the object and source of our revelation about God. He has shown us the Father. I believe we have seen the Father in Jesus. That is what Christianity is. 
 

>>>> And that comment assumes you know everything -- which you don't.  But God does.  If it means that a million people experience the grace of God then I don't think it takes a rocket scientist to realize that maybe our finite temporal definition of "good" needs a little tweaking <<<< 

This makes sense only if you are prepared to say that "good" for God has a different definition than "good" for man. And beyond that, you would have to allow for it to include much of what we would consider "bad". I am not sure "finite" or "temporal" has anything to do with it since (as I have pointed out before) Jesus has commanded us to be like Him (the Father). That means "good" in the same way that He is, holy in the same way that He is, and righteous in the same way that He is. (Not to even suggest that we could accomplish this in reality).  But if we were to "tweak" the definition of "good" as you suggest, then I suppose being "good (tweaked with some bad)" would be a lot easier. If "good" means plopping people in wheelchairs and using cancer, war, to accomplish our purposes etc... then godliness has suddenly become a lot easier. All humans (even rank sinners) can do these things! 
But all that being said... God is good, loving, and is all those things which we think as loving and good _AND IS BETTER_ (not worse) than our greatest understanding of these words. He is better (not worse) than concept goodness we might have. 
The glory of God means that His greatness includes being better ("gooder?") than anything that we can imagine. His greatness does not mean that He is so infinitely beyond our comprehension that He can (and has) some bad mixed in there.