All suffering is bad. The question is really a moot because if an experience were pleasant then we would not even consider calling it suffering. An ice cream cone is not suffering. A warm bed on a cold night is not suffering. Suffering can be defined in itself and by the common understanding of all men. Those in a cancer ward are suffering. Your child dying in your arms is suffering. There are no redeeming virtues in these events. The cross of Christ is the ultimate definition of suffering in this life. An event cannot be redefined as non-suffering because it lead to a good or positive outcome. We cannot say that the pain and agony that Jesus endured on the cross was not suffering because it lead to the redemption of the world. He suffered horribly. The ends do not allow us redefine the means as something other than what it was. It was suffering regardless of the good end it lead to. Suffering is bad. Non-suffering is good. We Cannot define suffering without defining what is good. Is our "good" the same as God's "good"? Does the fact that God is infinitely wiser than we somehow allow Him to redefine "good"? Can He decide that hell is good and those there are not suffering. Are there instances where God sees cancer on a child as a good thing? Is the "good" of God the same as our "good"? The answer to this question can only be yes. I cannot count the times I have heard and read Isaiah 55:8-9 used to say that God will allow and even commit evil in our lives: 8 For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, saith the LORD. 9 For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways, and my thoughts than your thoughts. They imagine that God's higher ways and thoughts are worse than our ways and worse than our thoughts. If they would read on they would see the truth: 10 For as the rain cometh down, and the snow from heaven, and returneth not thither, but watereth the earth, and maketh it bring forth and bud, that it may give seed to the sower, and bread to the eater: 11 So shall my word be that goeth forth out of my mouth: it shall not return unto me void, but it shall accomplish that which I please, and it shall prosper in the thing whereto I sent it. 12 For ye shall go out with joy, and be led forth with peace: the mountains and the hills shall break forth before you into singing, and all the trees of the field shall clap their hands. 13 Instead of the thorn shall come up the fir tree, and instead of the brier shall come up the myrtle tree: and it shall be to the LORD for a name, for an everlasting sign that shall not be cut off. God's higher ways are better ways, and His thoughts are better... not worse. What is good to us is the same as what is good to God. He does not have a different standard that says evil and suffering are good. James 1:17 BBE 17 Every good and true thing is given to us from heaven, coming from the Father of lights, with whom there is no change or any shade made by turning. God is unchanging. His is not good today to one, and then causing suffering tomorrow to another. He is light. It is not conceivable that a cancer or a death would issue forth from throne of God, the Father of Lights. Matthew 7:9-12 KJV 9 Or what man is there of you, whom if his son ask bread, will he give him a stone? 10 Or if he ask a fish, will he give him a serpent? 11 If ye then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children, how much more shall your Father which is in heaven give good things to them that ask him? 12 Therefore all things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, do ye even so to them: for this is the law and the prophets. These simple words reveal to us that what is good for us is good for God. These words are meaningless if somehow suffering is good. What we desire to have done to us is good, and we are to do the same to our neighbor. Goodness is not transcendent. It is fundamental and real. When Jesus calls us to this standard: Matthew 5:48 KJV 48 Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect. The perfection of God in heaven can only be what we understand to be "good". Else we serve a monster God and are indeed beyond hope.	PORN Death FIRE Logosystem